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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">What I just think about:<br>
      I just deleted all the lines in my elements-list where area is
      <= 0.000000001. Doesn't that mean that I have small holes in my
      surface mesh now? How is Gmsh able to work with this? I just don't
      understand why this makes a difference compared to just check if
      area is = 0<br>
      <br>
      Steffen<br>
      <br>
      Am 18.03.2014 21:41, schrieb Steffen Becker:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
        puh, that's weird:<br>
        First I checked my triangles if their area is > 0 (to get the
        ones which are aligned). This didn't helped as I said in my last
        mail. Now I (just for fun) checked if the area > 0.000000001
        and now it works - but I don't know why this is such a
        difference?!<br>
        <br>
        Anyway, thanks for your help!<br>
        Steffen<br>
        <br>
        Am 18.03.2014 10:57, schrieb Zenker, Dr. Matthias:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi

              Steffen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">there

              are still ill-defined triangles, e.g. 2319, 2320, 2321. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">You can find that out by yourself by
              inspecting your mesh with gmsh in the way I described in
              my last mail.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Remark: checking “surface faces” can help to
              examine the surface.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">HTH,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Matthias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span
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                    Steffen Becker [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      href="mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de">mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 17. März 2014 22:39<br>
                    <b>An:</b> Zenker, Dr. Matthias<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Roman Fratczak; <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:gmsh@geuz.org">gmsh@geuz.org</a><br>
                    <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gmsh] Error : Self intersecting
                    surface mesh, computing intersections (this could
                    take a while)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Matthias,<br>
                <br>
                thank you for your help!<br>
                I think I successfully deleted all the triangles with
                zero surface. Unfortunately the same error still appears
                (but at least with much less intersections). You find my
                new .msh file in the appendix. Do you have more ideas?<br>
                <br>
                Regards,<br>
                Steffen<br>
                <br>
                Am 17.03.2014 11:37, schrieb Zenker, Dr. Matthias:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi

                  Steffen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                  lang="EN-US">I think you have ill-defined triangles in
                  your mesh. For example, there is a triangle 15328
                  which contains the nodes 7358, 7359, and 7360. But
                  these nodes are aligned, so the triangle has zero
                  surface. I would suspect this kind of problem to be
                  the cause for the failure. I discovered that by
                  examining your mesh after merging the intersect.pos,
                  and by displaying node labels and surface labels in
                  gmsh. I saw that this triangle was not visible, just
                  its label, and searched for “15328” in your msh file
                  to see what nodes it contains.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                  lang="EN-US">You should make sure that this kind of
                  thing cannot happen when you define the surface mesh.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                  lang="EN-US">HTH,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                  lang="EN-US">Matthias</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                        Steffen Becker [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de">mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 17. März 2014 11:20<br>
                        <b>An:</b> Zenker, Dr. Matthias<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Roman Fratczak; <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:gmsh@geuz.org">gmsh@geuz.org</a><br>
                        <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gmsh] Error : Self
                        intersecting surface mesh, computing
                        intersections (this could take a while)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Here it is.<br>
                    <br>
                    Am 17.03.2014 11:14, schrieb Zenker, Dr. Matthias:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi

                      Steffen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-US">I found out: Outlook is wrong.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-US">I just discovered a small info saying
                      that Outlook thinks that my_file.msh is insecure
                      and that it has deleted the attachment (Grrrr). So
                      the fault was on my side, sorry. Could you try to
                      send it again with a changed extension, e.g.
                      rename it to my_file.msh.txt?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-US">Matthias</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                            Steffen Becker [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de">mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de</a>]
                            <br>
                            <b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 17. März 2014 10:55<br>
                            <b>An:</b> Zenker, Dr. Matthias<br>
                            <b>Cc:</b> Roman Fratczak; <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:gmsh@geuz.org">gmsh@geuz.org</a><br>
                            <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gmsh] Error : Self
                            intersecting surface mesh, computing
                            intersections (this could take a while)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Matthias,<br>
                        <br>
                        I don't know what's wrong here.<br>
                        When I check my mails, there is a .msh file in
                        the mail from 12.03.2014 18:21 and also one in
                        the mail from 14.03.2014 12:33.<br>
                        Finally, I sent you again a .msh file in this
                        mail. Do you receive it?<br>
                        <br>
                        Steffen<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Am 17.03.2014 09:52, schrieb Zenker, Dr.
                        Matthias:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US">Hi Steffen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US">in the mail you mention there is
                          only a geo file…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US">Matthias</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                                Steffen Becker [<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de">mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de</a>]
                                <br>
                                <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 14. März 2014
                                21:09<br>
                                <b>An:</b> Zenker, Dr. Matthias<br>
                                <b>Cc:</b> Roman Fratczak; <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:gmsh@geuz.org">gmsh@geuz.org</a><br>
                                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gmsh] Error : Self
                                intersecting surface mesh, computing
                                intersections (this could take a while)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Matthias,<br>
                            <br>
                            hm, I sent it on 12.03.2014 18:21, don't
                            know what went wrong.<br>
                            As you see, I created a ASCII .msh file as
                            explained in the documentation, so I hope
                            it's correct.<br>
                            What can I do now?<br>
                            <br>
                            Steffen<br>
                            <br>
                            Am 14.03.2014 13:05, schrieb Zenker, Dr.
                            Matthias:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi

                              Steffen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                              lang="EN-US">there was no msh file in any
                              of your mails.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                              lang="EN-US">Depending on what is in the
                              msh file, your steps seem correct to me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                              lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                              lang="EN-US">Matthias</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                                    Steffen Becker [<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de">mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de</a>]
                                    <br>
                                    <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 14. März
                                    2014 12:33<br>
                                    <b>An:</b> Zenker, Dr. Matthias<br>
                                    <b>Cc:</b> Roman Fratczak; <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:gmsh@geuz.org">gmsh@geuz.org</a><br>
                                    <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gmsh] Error :
                                    Self intersecting surface mesh,
                                    computing intersections (this could
                                    take a while)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Matthias,<br>
                                <br>
                                I think you are talking about your mail
                                from 12.03.2014 09:59 ?<br>
                                In one of my last mails I already sent
                                you a selfcreated .msh file - but the 3D
                                mesh still failes. The intersect.pos
                                shows me some <o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">intersections,

                                  but when I check my nodes for
                                  duplicates I can't find any.<br>
                                </span>Hope my steps are correct:<br>
                                - create "my_file.msh" with my python
                                script and check it for nodes
                                duplications -> none found<br>
                                - open "my_file.geo" in Gmsh<br>
                                - do "Modules" -> "Mesh" -> "3D"<br>
                                - receive error message<br>
                                - merge "intersect.pos" and see some
                                intersections but I don't know why
                                because the are no duplicated nodes<br>
                                <br>
                                Steffen<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Am 14.03.2014 09:50, schrieb Zenker, Dr.
                                Matthias:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US">Hi Steffen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US">you should be able to
                                  generate a filled volume mesh if you
                                  follow my suggestion from the other
                                  mail:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US">Write  the 2D mesh in
                                  gmsh format (e.g. as outerface.msh,
                                  gmsh documentation for more info on
                                  the msh format) and merge that one
                                  instead of the myfile.ply2 file,
                                  leaving the other command lines in
                                  your .geo file as they are. If you
                                  then do a 3D mesh, gmsh will take the
                                  2D mesh as defined in your file. You
                                  can then refine the mesh if you wish.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US">HTH,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US">Matthias</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                                        Steffen Becker [<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de">mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de</a>]
                                        <br>
                                        <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 12.
                                        März 2014 20:00<br>
                                        <b>An:</b> Roman Fratczak<br>
                                        <b>Cc:</b> Zenker, Dr. Matthias;
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:gmsh@geuz.org">gmsh@geuz.org</a><br>
                                        <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gmsh] Error
                                        : Self intersecting surface
                                        mesh, computing intersections
                                        (this could take a while)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I'm so sorry for all time you spent
                                    with my problem, but now I see: We
                                    talk at cross. It's my fault, I
                                    didn't explained correctly what I
                                    need.<br>
                                    I want to receive a *filled* volume
                                    mesh.<br>
                                    I created 2 files (steffen.stl and
                                    steffen2.stl) with my python script.<br>
                                    With steffen.stl I successfully
                                    could create such a filled volume
                                    mesh as seen in steffen.msh.<br>
                                    When I try exactly the same with
                                    steffen2.stl then I get the error
                                    message in the subject (and the
                                    surface mesh doesn't get filled).<br>
                                    So that's why the .iges file you
                                    sent me isn't what I need.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Sorry for all this confusion,<br>
                                    Steffen<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Am 12.03.2014 18:53, schrieb Roman
                                    Fratczak:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Steffen,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I did a volume based on your
                                      surface mesh - see attached IGES
                                      (compressed with 7-zip).<br>
                                      After reading it into GMSH, you
                                      can create the 1D, then 2D and
                                      finally 3D mesh with no errors.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      You can do the same using GMSH
                                      volume definition (as already
                                      wrote)-> it will work, as the
                                      fundamental faces are plane
                                      triangles.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Regards<br>
                                      Roman<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      W dniu 12.03.2014 18:27, Steffen
                                      Becker pisze:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Wrong .geo
                                        file, sorry!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Am 12.03.2014 18:21, schrieb
                                        Steffen Becker:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you
                                          so far,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I create both files: .msh and
                                          .geo, but I still get the same
                                          error. What's my mistake?<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Steffen<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Am 12.03.2014 11:48, schrieb
                                          Roman Fratczak:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
                                            <br>
                                            FYI - you can remove double
                                            vertices/edges (or repair)
                                            in mesh in FreeCad (for
                                            exampe).<br>
                                            <br>
                                            regards<br>
                                            Roman<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            W dniu 12.03.2014 10:17,
                                            Steffen Becker pisze:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi
                                              Matthias & Roman,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              I create a nodes- and
                                              elements-list like this:<br>
                                              # nodes:<br>
                                              N1 0,0,0<br>
                                              N2 0,1,0<br>
                                              N3 1,0,0<br>
                                              N4 0,0,1<br>
                                              # elements, which describe
                                              triangles:<br>
                                              E1 1,2,3<br>
                                              E2 2,3,4<br>
                                              <br>
                                              So I do have double edges
                                              (here: between node 2+3).
                                              Didn't now that this is a
                                              problem for gmsh, sorry.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              I will try Romans solution
                                              asap and give you a
                                              feedback.<br>
                                              Thank you both!<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Steffen<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              Am 12.03.2014 09:59,
                                              schrieb Zenker, Dr.
                                              Matthias:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi

                                                Steffen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                                lang="EN-US">I am not
                                                totally sure from what
                                                you wrote that there are
                                                really no duplicated
                                                nodes. In gmsh, you need
                                                to define the surfaces
                                                in a way that
                                                neighbouring
                                                surfaces/facets with a
                                                common border use the _<i>same</i>_
                                                nodes to define the
                                                border. I could not see
                                                from your file if there
                                                are duplicated nodes,
                                                and would propose that
                                                you make sure that there
                                                are really no such
                                                duplications.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                                lang="EN-US">If the
                                                meshing still fails,
                                                then this is a question
                                                for the real gurus
                                                (Christophe?).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                                lang="EN-US">HTH,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                                lang="EN-US">Matthias</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                                                        lang="EN-US">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                                                      lang="EN-US">
                                                      Roman Fratczak [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fratczakroman@o2.pl">mailto:fratczakroman@o2.pl</a>]
                                                      <br>
                                                    </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                                                      Mittwoch, 12. März
                                                      2014 09:51<br>
                                                      <b>An:</b> Steffen
                                                      Becker<br>
                                                      <b>Cc:</b> <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gmsh@geuz.org">gmsh@geuz.org</a><br>
                                                      <b>Betreff:</b>
                                                      Re: [Gmsh] Error :
                                                      Self intersecting
                                                      surface mesh,
                                                      computing
                                                      intersections
                                                      (this could take a
                                                      while)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Hi
                                                  Steffen,<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  No it is more clear.
                                                  If you are working
                                                  with cloud of point,
                                                  then you may use
                                                  Meshlab for surface
                                                  regeneration. There
                                                  are many software that
                                                  are able to handle in
                                                  a resonable way the
                                                  cloud of points (like
                                                  rhino3D + resurf,
                                                  other). But these are
                                                  rather commercial.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  From the other side -
                                                  try to do the simplest
                                                  thing:<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Adjust your python
                                                  script for surface
                                                  creation in order to
                                                  save not as PLY but as
                                                  GMSH "geo" file using
                                                  points and lines<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Point(1)={0,0,0} ;<br>
                                                  Point(2)={0,1,0} ;<br>
                                                  ...<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Line(1) = {1,2};<br>
                                                  ..<br>
                                                  and.. Line Loop &
                                                  Surface -> Volume
                                                  ..<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Then you will get a
                                                  volume defined by
                                                  geometric entities. In
                                                  this case is shoul be
                                                  easier to create a
                                                  better mesh on surface
                                                  and then on whole
                                                  volume.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Regards<br>
                                                  Roman<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                   <br>
                                                  W dniu 11.03.2014
                                                  17:59, Steffen Becker
                                                  pisze:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    @ Roman:<br>
                                                    some more details:<br>
                                                    I have a point cloud
                                                    given and generate
                                                    the surface mesh by
                                                    myself (with
                                                    python). I don't
                                                    know a good
                                                    algorithm to create
                                                    a volume mesh out of
                                                    this surface mesh -
                                                    that's why I use
                                                    gmsh for this task.<br>
                                                    I also checked my
                                                    surface mesh for
                                                    double vertexes but
                                                    I didn't find any.
                                                    What do you mean
                                                    with "double egdes"?
                                                    Isn't there always a
                                                    "double edge",
                                                    because two
                                                    neighbour facets
                                                    always have one same
                                                    edge?!<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    I will send you a
                                                    .step or .iges file
                                                    as soon as I figured
                                                    out how to handle
                                                    the "No OpenCASCADE
                                                    model found" error.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    I'm appending the
                                                    other mailing
                                                    history (with
                                                    Matthias) to this
                                                    mail - sorry for
                                                    that "double
                                                    mailing", I just
                                                    forgot one time to
                                                    "reply to all" -.-<br>
                                                    Anyone else has an
                                                    idea why the meshing
                                                    fails?<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Regards and thank
                                                    you a lot,<br>
                                                    Steffen<br>
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                                                  <pre>Hi Steffen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>I don't see either why the meshing fails, sorry.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Matthias<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Von: Steffen Becker [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de">mailto:steffenbecker87@yahoo.de</a>]<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. März 2014 14:42<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>An: Zenker, Dr. Matthias<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gmsh@geuz.org">gmsh@geuz.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Betreff: Re: [Gmsh] Error : Self intersecting surface mesh, computing<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>intersections (this could take a while)<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Oh I'm really sorry, here is the file.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>In addition I sent you also the intersect.pos. I don't understand why exactly<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>these surfaces are problematic and the "neighbour surfaces"<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>aren't - although they have the same geometry =/<o:p></o:p></pre>
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                                                  <pre>Am 11.03.2014 12:07, schrieb Zenker, Dr. Matthias:<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Hi Steffen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>if you don't provide the myfile.ply2, we cannot see your geometry...<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre> You can visualize intersect.pos by merging it to your geometry.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>HTH,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Matthias<o:p></o:p></pre>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Am

                                                    11.03.2014 14:33,
                                                    schrieb Roman
                                                    Fratczak:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      It is possible,
                                                      that you will get
                                                      your geometry in
                                                      other format? <br>
                                                      In your "ply"
                                                      there is already a
                                                      surface mesh
                                                      given. Try maybe
                                                      use STEP,
                                                      IGES,...  as
                                                      input- then it is
                                                      easer to
                                                      recalculate the
                                                      surface mesh.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      In case of need of
                                                      usage of "a dead
                                                      mesh" - maybe try
                                                      first to remesh it
                                                      (i.e. in blender
                                                      with modification
                                                      Remesh) and/or
                                                      clean it (removing
                                                      double vertexes
                                                      and edges).<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      regards<br>
                                                      Roman<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      W dniu 11.03.2014
                                                      12:13, Steffen
                                                      Becker pisze:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        in the appendix
                                                        you find my
                                                        model.<br>
                                                        Thanks for 
                                                        help!!<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Regards,<br>
                                                        Steffen<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Am 11.03.2014
                                                        11:47, schrieb
                                                        Roman Fratczak:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">Hello

                                                          Steffen,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Yes. You can
                                                          try to the
                                                          first Optimize
                                                          quality of
                                                          tetra, or all
                                                          of them (just
                                                          try).<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I don't know
                                                          how your model
                                                          looks like. If
                                                          the elements
                                                          on the surface
                                                          are too big,
                                                          then the solid
                                                          elements
                                                          (probably
                                                          tetragonal)
                                                          may be with
                                                          intersecting
                                                          edges or
                                                          faces.
                                                          Therefore the
                                                          reducing size
                                                          of element may
                                                          help
                                                          (especially on
                                                          the surfaces).<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Or- just share
                                                          your model
                                                          (ply) -in
                                                          order to be
                                                          more precise.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          regards<br>
                                                          Roman<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          W dniu
                                                          10.03.2014
                                                          18:06, Steffen
                                                          Becker pisze:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">Hi

                                                          Roman,<br>
                                                          when you say
                                                          "enable
                                                          option:
                                                          optimize", you
                                                          mean" Tools
                                                          -> Options
                                                          -> Mesh
                                                          -> Advanced
                                                          -> Optimize
                                                          quality of
                                                          tetrahedra,
                                                          Optimize
                                                          quality of
                                                          tetrahedra
                                                          with Netgen,
                                                          Optimize high
                                                          order meshes
                                                          (experimental)"
                                                          ?<br>
                                                          And why is
                                                          reducing
                                                          element size
                                                          important? In
                                                          my case it is
                                                          important that
                                                          the object has
                                                          such "90
                                                          degree
                                                          corners".<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regards,<br>
                                                          Steffen<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Am 10.03.2014
                                                          16:55, schrieb
                                                          Roman
                                                          Fratczak:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">Hi

                                                          Steffen,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If your volume
                                                          is OK (is
                                                          really a
                                                          closed one) -
                                                          try to:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1. Reduce
                                                          element size
                                                          (especially in
                                                          a curved
                                                          shapes)<br>
                                                          2. Enable
                                                          option
                                                          "Optimize" -
                                                          in mesh
                                                          options <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regards<br>
                                                          Roman<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          W dniu
                                                          10.03.2014
                                                          16:41, Steffen
                                                          Becker pisze:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">Hello

                                                          everyone, <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I'm a gmsh
                                                          beginner and I
                                                          want to create
                                                          a 3D volume
                                                          mesh out of a
                                                          given
                                                          surface-mesh
                                                          but I got the
                                                          error message
                                                          as seen in the
                                                          subject. You
                                                          find my .geo
                                                          file in the
                                                          appendix. <br>
                                                          Can anyone
                                                          tell me what I
                                                          have to do to
                                                          create a 3D
                                                          mesh? I even
                                                          can't figure
                                                          out where the
                                                          intersection
                                                          are located
                                                          (don't know
                                                          how to read
                                                          the
                                                          intersect.pos).
                                                          <br>
                                                          Sorry for my
                                                          poor english.
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regards, <br>
                                                          Steffen <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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